Zettian Guards

[sanguinousrex]

I know they are listed as a Unique squad, but for their abilities, etc. I think we should make them a common squad, what do you all think?

If you really sit and think about it, EVERY squad that came with the box set is considered unique, from the squads to the figures. Why? Probably for the sake of selling figures. They figure even if someone buys a HeroScape main set, since they can't form an army with unique figures, everyone will want to buy the booster packs of common squads that they CAN make armies with.

[tyshalle]

Honestly, I can't think of more than 2 or 3 squads from the master set that really need to be unique, and I think a few of them would be significantly more interesting if they were common squads, and I also don't feel it would unbalance anything. I'll have to think about that for my future games.

[elstree]

tyshalle said:

Honestly, I can't think of more than 2 or 3 squads from the master set that really need to be unique, and I think a few of them would be significantly more interesting if they were common squads, and I also don't feel it would unbalance anything. I'll have to think about that for my future games.

This subject has been amply discussed before in...now where did that thread go? Oh, yeah.

To summarize: most people agreed that the Tarn and Zettians could be made commons with little problem. The Marro, Airborne, and Krav Maga most agreed should remain unique because of their powers. People were split pretty evenly on the Samurai.

[laughingfuzzball]

The Zettian Guards definately don't belong in the 'unique' category. The only Master Set squads that do (as far as fluff goes), imho, are the Krav Maga Agents, and mybe the Airborne Elite and Tarn Vikings. There's no logical reason for there to be only one group of Zettian Guards, Samurai, or Marro Warriors

[aielman]

I think the big thing is commons should be more expensive then uniques. There is not a whole lot of benefits to being a unique squad rather then a common squad. Also, this makes them immune to Ne-Gok-Sa so I would not use this conversion from unique to common very liberally.

and Marros HAVE to be unique otherwise you could virtually ALWAYS have the chance of rebirthing 4 Marros every freaking turn, Talk about your EVIL unit. Does anyone else want to imagine fighting 16 Marros at only 200pts???

[sanguinousrex]

haha that would suck.

But if you're trying to field a techno soulborg army, what do you really have so far?

2 unique Deathwalkers, a "unique squad" of Zettian guard, and the common Omnicron snipers. Am I missing anyone lol

[GaryLASQ]

aielman said:

Also, this [being common] makes them immune to Ne-Gok-Sa so I would not use this conversion from unique to common very liberally.

currently the only special powers that are specific to unique figure are Ne-Gok-Sa's Mind Shackle and the Spirit power of Thorgrim and Finn.

and the wording on these special powers bugs me because it says unique "figure", not unique army card. for example, if you have all three KM Agents and NGS shackles one of them how can he [your opponent] take the card if he only controls one fig while you control the other two? he should control all three, yes?

it almost sounds like these three SPs that specify "unique figure" really mean "unique hero". anyone remember if this was clarified on the late great HS.net ?

[niteraider]

I think the game needs more Soulbourg Guards so we can expand DW9K's Range Enhancement ability.

[bdog]

I'll have to agree w/ the folks above...no reason for the robots to be unique. The Morrows, Agents, and Airborne Elite....for sure (meaning they should be unique units), some of the other stuff like the samuri, or the vikings--I'm not sure it would make a difference at all. I only end up w/ them when we randomly pick armies and I'm stuck w/ them.

[starslayer]

The snipers are not souborgs. So far all the Soulborgs are Unique, 2 hero and the one squad.
I don't see it as a problem with using them (zettians) as commons, but I agree there are a couple that would be to powerfull, Marro, agents, and the AE.

The vikings are mentioned, but they are not any more unique than the vipers are with frenzy. They are slow, can possibly make several movements in one round, but they will only make one attack at the end of the move. There stats are a little higher than normal squads so make them cost 90 points for there squad to become common.

[grungebob]

The snipers are not souborgs

The snipers are soulborgs.

[grungebob]

garylasq said:

aielman said:

Also, this [being common] makes them immune to Ne-Gok-Sa so I would not use this conversion from unique to common very liberally.

currently the only special powers that are specific to unique figure are Ne-Gok-Sa's Mind Shackle and the Spirit power of Thorgrim and Finn.

and the wording on these special powers bugs me because it says unique "figure", not unique army card. for example, if you have all three KM Agents and NGS shackles one of them how can he [your opponent] take the card if he only controls one fig while you control the other two? he should control all three, yes?

it almost sounds like these three SPs that specify "unique figure" really mean "unique hero". anyone remember if this was clarified on the late great HS.net ?

It was clearified a long time ago.

[sanguinousrex]

starslayer said:

The snipers are not souborgs.

Check the card, they are Soulborg

[rev1913]

It's likely they thought folks would buy a single master set and multiple expansions (boy, were they wrong). I'm cool with it, though. I'm not to big on mod's, rules (with very, very few exceptions), units, or otherwise, but to each his own. I wouldn't mind another squad of samurai, but I've faith that they'll put out some cool additions to the soulborgs and the others eventually.

[starslayer]

Ooops. I just kept remembering that they came from the other general( Jandar) and not from Utgar, Sorry about my confusion. I guess I should have pulled the cards out first.